[originaltext]Interviewer: Mrs. Leech, can you describe some of the things your

Interviewer: Mrs. Leech, can you describe some of the things your school does with aggressive children?
Mrs. Leech: Well, you must realize that when he comes here he is meeting other aggressive children, and aggressive children all together usually sum each other up.
Interviewer: Uhumm.
Mrs. Leech: And they find that aggressiveness here doesn’t pay off because you can be jolly sure there’s one tougher and worse than he is.
Interviewer: Uhumm.
Mrs. Leech: So I usually have, eh... I say usually...
Interviewer: Uhumm.
Mrs. Leech: Sometimes have organized fights. I...
Interviewer: Organized fights? You actually...
Mrs. Leech: Yes.
Interviewer: You actually encourage the children to...
Mrs. Leech: We have a ring and we have a bell.
Interviewer: A boxing ring?
Mrs. Leech: Yes!
Interviewer: Uhumm.
Mrs. Leech: And er... they must conform, they must keep to the rules, and when they have either lost or won, we discuss after a) what it is like to be the winner and b) what it is like to lose. And we carry on with our discussion and go on to what it is like in life.
Interviewer: Hmm.
Mrs. Leech: We must win or lose and we must do each very gracefully.
Interviewer: Can you give some reason why children are aggressive.
Mrs. Leech: If a child is one of six or seven children...er...it’s pretty sure that he is naughty and aggressive because he is crying out for attention and in this large family he’s found that a jolly good way of getting attention is to shout, be naughty. At least mummy turns round and says, "Be quiet....
Interviewer: Uhumm.
Mrs. Leech: Be a good boy, or you’ll get this or that."
Interviewer: So some children are aggressive simply in order...
Mrs. Leech: To gain attention!
Interviewer: To gain...
Mrs. Leech: Aggressiveness usually is that. It’s...
Interviewer: Uhumm.
Mrs. Leech: It’s really the children crying out and saying, "Look at me, please."
Interviewer: Umm.
Mrs. Leech: I’m not saying it’s the answer in all circumstances but it usually is.
Interviewer: Can you give some of the advantages of your school, as compared with ordinary schools.
Mrs. Leech: The classes are smaller for one thing.
Interviewer: How small?
Mrs. Leech: Er... we only have groups up to five or six.
Interviewer: Uhumm. And in a normal school?
Mrs. Leech: Oh, well... that varies, of course, but it could be thirty to forty.
Interviewer: Uhum.
Mrs. Leech: Um... here he does have individual attention every day.
Interviewer: Er... do you think the work is important?
Mrs. Leech: I do. Er... without our unit or something similar...
Interviewer: The unit is the school?
Mrs. Leech: Yes, the whole unit.
Interviewer: Uhumm.
Mrs. Leech: I think a lot of children would be left and then perhaps at the age of sixteen, we would have our juvenile delinquent. I’m not saying we’re curing them all.
Interviewer: Uhumm.
Mrs. Leech: But I think at least with the unit available to these children, they have had a chance to make good.
Interviewer: Uhumm.
Mrs. Leech: I’m not saying it always pays off, but they have had a chance.